Jadxia ([info]jadxia) wrote,
@ 2008-11-08 10:45:00
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The History of Marriage And What That Means For Same-Sex Couples


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Something in this post is bound to piss someone off, but I'm writing it anyway. First off, let us look at the history of marriage. Were marriages always defined as between a man and a woman for the purposes of raising a family? The institution of marriage is a unique blend of law, social customs, and religion. Initially, however, the families (or perhaps just the parties involved) had to simply declare the couple married and they were. Various religions later had various officiating bodies to declare such marriages binding by law, as law and religion were closely tied in most cultures of that era.

In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius and Constans declared that same-sex marriage to be illegal.1 If someone has to declare such an act illegal, doesn't that imply that previously, such marriages were taking place (even if they were not all that common)? So the notion that we are 'preserving the sanctity of marriage' is total bunk when we continue to outlaw same-sex marriages, because a very long time ago they were legally binding, and then same-sex couples lost that right in the time of the early Christian emperors.

Read more on Same-Sex Marriages in Ancient Times

Not so long ago, and in many cultures, your social status and ethnicity were of paramount importance, but no one outside of a skinhead talks much about preserving the sanctity of one's race, either. I truly do believe in the sanctity of marriage, which is why I don't think it's appropriate to have a ridiculous wedding, such as while scuba diving or in a hot air balloon.

On the other hand, I feel it is important to follow the tenets of your chosen religion and respect the rights of the religious. Get married all you want, but don't be in a same-sex marriage and expect to stay Catholic. If you commit a cardinal sin, and continue to commit that sin, you should be excommunicated. That would also apply to other cardinal sins, such as murder or adultery. Until you truly repent, I don't feel you should be allowed back into the fold. If I should suddenly decide to become Catholic or join the FLDS (both highly unlikely prospects) then I don't want to encounter homosexuals within my religious community, because by my adopted faith such acts are spiritually criminal.

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1Wikipedia, cited from Theodosian code



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[info]jourdannex
2008-11-08 05:58 pm UTC (link)
You know what confuses me? It's what you have touched on here with someone wanting to stay catholic and still be gay. I have so many gay friends...some are religious, some are not. I just went to a beautiful gay wedding last week...truly heartwarming and lovely.

But I have a gay friend who is catholic and I don't understand how he does it..I don't want to outright ask him either...but how can he read their doctrine and still think they accept him?

I know that in my mother's Kingdom Hall (JW) they have a few men who are very gay, but do not "act" on it...my sister calls them "NPG"s, and the first time I heard that, I died. Non-Practicing Gays, have you ever heard of that? It means they believe so strongly that gay is a sin that they never act out, but everyone knows they are...but they live a life of celibacy. I don't even know what to think of that...except sadness they have to deny who they are and live by rules that condemn them.

I completely believe gay couples should be allowed to marry but I understand what you are saying with...how do they continue to be a religion where they are condemned...how do they read that and not feel bad?

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I Have Some Gay Catholic Friends
[info]jadxia
2008-11-09 06:18 pm UTC (link)
His boyfriend won't go to church with him, because they openly condemn homosexuality. Likewise, I know another Catholic guy who is married and cheats on his wife all the time with strings of girls because he doesn't want to admit even to himself he is gay.

Personally, I would switch religions, but I know many activists who think the religion should somehow change for them and just be accepting. That's where I stop agreeing.

Every religious homosexual I've ever met has been laden with massive guilt. It is very sad, indeed.

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[info]lather2002
2008-11-08 06:24 pm UTC (link)
Finally an intelligent take on the whole "Gay Marriage" subject. Thanks :D

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Vindicated By The Daily Kos
[info]jadxia
2008-11-13 10:13 pm UTC (link)
Check it out, LDS members and even whole families are leaving their religion because it supported Prop 8.

DailyKos.com

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